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Question about how mystic gohan works
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jan 18 2014, 05:36 PM Post #1
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Old kai told gohan to turn ssj to access the power he has unlocked for him. My question is: at that moment, was that power permanently unlocked or can he power down back to base form and then turn ssj to activate it again the same way he did the first time? I always thought the former Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jan 18 2014, 05:37 PM.
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SSJ	Jan 18 2014, 05:38 PM Post #2
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	The ritual did not provide Gohan a new form to use. It brought his powers out past the current maximum that he could achieve. So no, he would not be able to turn Super Saiyan at that moment, because he was at his maximum. He attempted to do it when Old Kaioshin told him to, but he remained in Base.



+ Kaboom	Jan 18 2014, 05:39 PM Post #3
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	It's never made entirely clear. Toriyama drew Gohan differently from that point on for the entire rest of the manga, but Toei's fond of drawing him like he did before the ritual and having him "transform" into his 'Ultimate' state as if it were a Super Saiyan form. Particularly so in Movie 13 and in Battle of Gods. The latter of which, of course, showed him capable of going Super Saiyan as well. So in a nutshell, Battle of Gods has made things a little more confusing, but nothing has been really "contradicted" because it was never firmly explained in the first place.



Topographic Oceans	Jan 18 2014, 05:40 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,788 Group: Member Member #10,681 Joined: January 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Action Comics Favourite Manga Detective Comics	Toei material is non canon after all, so it shouldn't count. But BoG, that's probably canon, is truly a problem. The mere fact that he could transform and didn't use it against Beerus makes it a whole lot more confusing. Edited by Topographic Oceans, Jan 18 2014, 05:43 PM.
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+ Ssj3vegito96	Jan 18 2014, 05:45 PM Post #5
Posts: 10,327 Group: Elite Member Member #10,438 Joined: November 2, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon ball/Z/GT/S, Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood, One Punch Man Favourite Manga DB/Z/S	Does GT Perfect Files imply that the reason why he can turn ssj in GT is because he has been training and built up more hidden power? I think that's a good way to think about it in battle of gods too Edit: Here's what GT perfect files says about gohan "He transformed when fighting with Goten after Goten had been taken over by Baby!! It seems that even in times of peace, he hasn’t neglected his training. The differences in Gohan’s facial expressions before and after transforming are the most intense out of any warrior!!" Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Jan 18 2014, 05:47 PM.
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+ Kaboom	Jan 18 2014, 05:51 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	As far as I can remember, the GT Perfect Files only remark that Gohan "hasn't neglected his training" (because that's TOTALLY in-character for him), and that he's got intense facial expressions as a Super Saiyan. It doesn't comment at all about why or how he can go Super Saiyan again. (EDIT: And by the time I finished typing this, you already dug that up. Okay.) If I may plug something, the Kanzenshuu podcast had a dedicated topic about Gohan's clashing Ultimate and Super Saiyan states back about a year ago before Battle of Gods was released (when that first poster was released and showed him as a Super Saiyan). Yours truly and Herms were brought in as the episode's guest participants. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/2012/12/24/podcast-episode-0319/ Edited by Kaboom, Jan 18 2014, 05:52 PM.



Hearts	Jan 18 2014, 06:06 PM Post #7
Posts: 1,173 Group: Member Member #10,454 Joined: November 6, 2013	Old Kaioshin = Gather energy like you would go Super Saiyan Gohan does that and gains immense power instead of getting golden hair... I think that Mystic is a form but a form without any physical change.. the Old Kaioshin clearly stated that he should gather energy as he would if he went Super Saiyan, in an instant an immense energy came.. He didnt power up, he transformed.. Im fairly sure that this is the case



wolfie	Jan 18 2014, 06:59 PM Post #8
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Yeah, even then no one, not even him, could sense the power, tgat tells me its not his base He had to "transform" to get it Edited by wolfie, Jan 18 2014, 07:06 PM.



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 18 2014, 07:21 PM Post #9
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	TheDoc Jan 18 2014, 05:40 PM Toei material is non canon after all, so it shouldn't count. But BoG, that's probably canon, is truly a problem. The mere fact that he could transform and didn't use it against Beerus makes it a whole lot more confusing. Originally in BOG, they were going to make Gohan a Super Saiyan, but due to protests from fans, they didn't. Gohan can be seen as a Super Saiyan in early posters and even in an early trailer of BOG. As for the OP, people seem to completely misunderstand the fact that even though Super Saiyan gives someone incredible power, since it's not a natural state for the person, it comes with flaws that don't exist in base. There's always going to be a strain while in a transformed state, even in a so called "mastered" form. In essence, no one is fully capable of truly using the fullest extent of their abilities while in a transformed state. In addition to this, a transformation is a physical change that gives someone access to latent reserves that they can't normally access in base. The purpose of a transformation is to condition your body so that it can use higher reserves safely and efficiently. This is the one reason why Super Saiyan has and always will be safer to use than Kaioken. Goku risks potential death when he uses the Kaioken, but by physically changing his body, he's able to use the (theoretical) same amount of power for an extended period of time in the most efficient and stable way possible. However, as I mentioned, this form comes with flaws because it's not a state that's natural for the Saiyan to be in. "Mystic" unlocks all of Gohan's latent ki. And because he has access in "base" to all his reserves, he doesn't need to use flawed transformations in order to use that power, and he doesn't need rage to help him get it. And since "base" is the most efficient form to use, this is the reason why Mystic will always be better than a Super Saiyan state, even if it's not as flashy or cool-looking. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Jan 18 2014, 07:32 PM.
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wolfie	Jan 18 2014, 07:54 PM Post #10
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	The problem is, he ask how to use it, he feels nothing Its not his base, otherwise its just "there" and its not



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 18 2014, 08:58 PM Post #11
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Gohan's "transformation" to Super Saiyan actually was the final key in unlocking that ki that he'd had unlocked by Rou Dai Kaioshin. He wouldn't have been aware that he had that unlocked until he "transformed", and thus, tapped into that latent reserve that he'd previously had. Super Saiyan happens when someone taps into a reserve, and by simply tapping into that reserve, Gohan had unlocked it for permanent and unfettered use at any given moment.
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wolfie	Jan 18 2014, 09:16 PM Post #12
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Disagree hugely, and BoG backs me up When asked how to, he has to "transform" Its a transformation, if it was ever his base he would not need to do anything, he has to power up to it No where dose it say he dont have to in the original work



* Ketchup Revenge	Jan 18 2014, 09:30 PM Post #13
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	wolfie Jan 18 2014, 09:16 PM Disagree hugely, and BoG backs me up When asked how to, he has to "transform" Its a transformation, if it was ever his base he would not need to do anything, he has to power up to it No where dose it say he dont have to in the original work It's not a transformation because he doesn't "de-transform" from it. It's a metamorphasis, similar to Cell when he absorbs 17 and 18. Cell can't consciously de-transform from his perfect state, and Gohan can't either from Mystic.
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petewentz	Jan 19 2014, 02:09 AM Post #14
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	TheDoc Jan 18 2014, 05:40 PM Toei material is non canon after all, so it shouldn't count. But BoG, that's probably canon, is truly a problem. The mere fact that he could transform and didn't use it against Beerus makes it a whole lot more confusing. Isn't BOG produced my Toei? But anyway, as for the manga, I got the feeling that the Old Kai was telling him to go SSj to sort of "power up" and that was basically just him accessing all of his power...though I don't know either way. Could he go SSj still? I'm talking strictly manga. Of course he wouldn't NEED to go SSj considering his Chou form would produce more power than any SSj form he could go to, but it's still a question I'd like to know. I side with no he couldn't because it's explicitly stated that he should do his SSj transformation to access that power... FFFFFF it I just don't know anything about this. And yea, he's told to do something similar to transforming in order to unleash the power so what that entails is what I don't know. Edited by petewentz, Jan 19 2014, 02:10 AM.
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wolfie	Jan 19 2014, 02:10 AM Post #15
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Ketchupis Ultionis Jan 18 2014, 09:30 PM wolfie Jan 18 2014, 09:16 PM Disagree hugely, and BoG backs me up When asked how to, he has to "transform" Its a transformation, if it was ever his base he would not need to do anything, he has to power up to it No where dose it say he dont have to in the original work It's not a transformation because he doesn't "de-transform" from it. It's a metamorphasis, similar to Cell when he absorbs 17 and 18. Cell can't consciously de-transform from his perfect state, and Gohan can't either from Mystic. We have no proof of this, he just "stays" in the form the rest of the show, why would he need to "access" it if it was unlocked and was his base? sounds very weird, where is this from? Edited by wolfie, Jan 19 2014, 02:10 AM.



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